Dong-Yi People Hmong People: Dong-Yi People Native Americans Ancestors
Dong-Yi People
Hmm, came across something very interesting about the Dong-Yi people. Needs to be researched a little more but if this is true then this could be the connection, we need to validate that the Hmong & Native Americans are ONE people and were together as one in the past before splitting apart. It is said that the Dong-Yi people are the Hmong people. On this website they have linked the Dong-Yi people to be one of the Native Americans ancestors.
Posted by Soleilmavis on November 2, 2011 at 1:30pm | View Blog | Dong-Yi People | (People for the Ends of the Earth) | Peacepink.Ning.Com | Explore the fascinating link between the Dong-Yi People, Hmong, and Native Americans. Uncover their shared history, cultural similarities, and ancient migrations.
The Dong-Yi People: A Connection Between the Hmong and Native Americans?
The Dong-Yi people are a fascinating subject of research for those exploring the ancient connections between cultures across the globe. As one of the most influential Neolithic civilizations, the Dong-Yi people lived around the Shandong Peninsula in ancient China and are often credited with shaping significant aspects of early Chinese culture. However, recent studies suggest their influence may extend far beyond China, potentially connecting them to the ancestors of the Hmong and Native American peoples.
Who Were the Dong-Yi People?
The Dong-Yi were an advanced civilization known for their wheat cultivation, bird totem worship, and contributions to early Chinese culture. Originating from the Middle East, the Dong-Yi brought unique cultural and genetic traits to the Shandong Peninsula, influencing neighboring cultures like the Di-Qiang and later Chinese dynasties.
Their culture evolved over thousands of years through key periods, including the Houli, Beixin, Dawenkou, Longshan, and Yueshi phases. They were known for their sophisticated pottery, early use of copper and iron, and even performing advanced medical procedures like cranial surgeries.
The Dong-Yi’s Cultural Legacy
The Dong-Yi culture greatly influenced the development of ancient Chinese civilizations. Their religious practices, particularly bird totem worship, are believed to have inspired aspects of Native American and Polynesian spiritual traditions. Similarly, their advanced agricultural practices and social structures laid the groundwork for future cultural evolution in East Asia.
A Shared Ancestry: Hmong and Native Americans?
The connection between the Dong-Yi, Hmong, and Native Americans lies in migration and genetic studies. Research suggests that the Dong-Yi people migrated across Asia and beyond, possibly reaching the Americas through the Bering Strait or other routes. DNA studies have shown genetic links between East Asians and Native Americans, particularly in mitochondrial and Y-chromosome markers.
The Hmong, a group with deep roots in Southeast Asia, share spiritual and cultural similarities with Native Americans, such as animistic beliefs, ancestor worship, and reverence for nature. Could these similarities stem from a shared lineage with the Dong-Yi people? If so, this would provide a fascinating glimpse into the interconnectedness of human history.
The Role of Bird Totems
One striking similarity between the Dong-Yi, Native Americans, and Polynesians is the use of bird imagery in spiritual practices. The Dong-Yi’s bird worship influenced their art, rituals, and social structures. This tradition appears mirrored in the Native American use of bird symbols in totems, feather headdresses, and ceremonial attire.
Similarly, Polynesians adopted feathered cloaks and bird imagery, suggesting a shared cultural thread that originated with the Dong-Yi. These parallels raise questions about how cultural practices evolve and persist across generations and continents.
What Does This Mean for Modern Identity?
For the Hmong and Native American communities, understanding this shared history could deepen cultural pride and foster connections between groups. Exploring common ancestry highlights the resilience and adaptability of ancient civilizations, showing how they influenced diverse cultures worldwide.
Conclusion
The Dong-Yi people may hold the key to unraveling the complex web of human migration and cultural evolution. By examining their legacy, we uncover not only their impact on ancient China but also their potential role in shaping the histories of the Hmong, Native Americans, and Polynesians.
As research continues, the connections between these groups may offer a more comprehensive understanding of our shared human story. Could the Dong-Yi truly be the bridge that links these ancient peoples together? The answer may redefine how we see history, identity, and the interconnectedness of cultures.
Sources:
- Peacepink.Ning.Com
- Various genetic studies on prehistoric migrations
- Archaeological findings from the Shandong Peninsula
Lai – come
Mai – wheat
in Hmong,
Los (Law) – come
Mov (Maw) – cooked rice
The Dong-Yi (bird people/big bow) were our ancestors.
here is a great artifact from the Dawenkou culture of the Ancient Dongyi.
https://hmongsandnativeamericans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Native-American-Pottery-with-Hmong-Designs-10.jpg
Yes, I believe that they are. In the “article” I posted above, they have linked the Dong-Yi to be the ancestors of the Native Americans too.
The Dongyi people worshiped bird totems. Today, the central Hmong of China, called themselves Kanao which means “from bird” and believe their ancestors came from the eastern sea of China => that’s where the Dongyi people flourished.
In the Shan Hai Jing (mountain sea classic), Qu Yuan stated “that the land of the immortals, near the black sea, were a group of bird people, called the Miao.”
“A very famous war recorded in ‘Shan Hai Jing’ happened between Huang-Di people and Chi-You people which belonged to Dong-Yi People. Chi-You asked Feng-Bo and Yu-Shi to make stormy conditions high wind and extreme rainfall.”
Interestingly, Chiyou is our forefather and if you talked to many Hmong elders or shamans, they will tell you that our ancestors were the only people who can call forth the wind. Interesting, Chiyou was recorded as being able to call for the wind/fog.
My mom told me that when she was little, she used to climb to the roof and sing the ancient song of “calling the wind,” but she told me that it was in whistling style, not actual singing. The wind will come when you sing it.
thank you for sharing. this is interesting. reading about the Dong Yi with bird feathers.. i thought it was interesting as Hmong altars still required chicken feathers.. which the chickens were thought to be the physical form of phoenix, who communicates between the earth and heaven. One famous Dong Yi story is the Archer who shot down the many burning suns. Interesting, the Hmong have similar story, the story of Ka Yuam who shot down many suns and then, the sun refused to came out, so the chicken was the one who was able to convince the Sun to come out.. this is why, before sunrise, the chicken crows because the chicken promise the sun and when the first sun ray hits the chicken, it created the chicken’s red head piece. It’s a Hmong mythology. My mom told me that the chicken promised to be sacrificed, which is why the chicken is the most important bird, yet revere bird in the Hmong culture.
Hmm, that is interesting. The Native Americans believe that the eagle is the messenger between earth and heaven.
heheh, yes. FOr the Hmong, it’s the chicken that take onto the physical form and in spiritual form, the chicken is the messenger between Heaven and Earth.. this is why before marriage, the chicken is used, because the chicken serves as the witness to the marriage. a chicken must be sacrificed and serves as a guide to the decease, because the chicken is the one who will crow and find the ancestors in the spirit world.
There is a saying in the Hmong culture especially among Hmong shamans. “Nooj liaj nooj luj” referring to BIRD GUIDES.
Falcons and swallows are often considered to be “shamanic animal guides.”
Do you know if the Shang Dynasty was Hmong? Or were they Chinese?
The Hmong ancestors were part of the Shang. The Shang can be considered ancestors to the Han Chinese and Hmong.
Oh ok. I was just asking cause a lot of the Shang pottery has Hmong design on it.
Yes. Just so you know, many Chinese became Hmong and many Hmong became Chinese. lol
LOL. Yes I know.
But in my opinion Hmong is not Chinese.
yes, originally, Hmong are not Chinese. That’s why they are called “suav” or to count since they laid heavy taxes on our ancestors and always come to count.
Miao people
Archaeological discoveries – In addition, geneticists have connected the Miao to the Daxi Culture (5,300 – 6,000 years before present [YBP]) in the middle Yangtze River region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miao_people
The Yi people were also into the slave trade as well as slavery. They had also enslaved Hmong people too. For instance, a group of Hmong in China known as A-Hmao had been under Yi enslavement before.
This is really interesting, just that I would like to know more info on the Middle east part… Anyways, Hmong are known as a group who worships birds. The Xwm Kas that we put in our house that is believe to be the home to our spirit guardians comes from the tale of a man sent from Heaven that represented the rooster… I heard the story from a shaman i know, who was told the story by his master–The Tale goes that long ago when Ntxoog Nyoog (Devil, I think I spelled it wrong) wife gave birth to demons, he opened the gateway of Heaven and the demons came to Earth. Heaven saw this and wanted to stop it, so he sent down four men–Xwm Kas, Pes Xeem, Los Yes, I don’t remember one of their name. Anyways, The four killed most of the demons and there was only one left. While trying to kill it, Xwm Kas was shot and kill on accident by one of his brothers. After his death, he was put beside a tree and as days pass he submerged into the tree. Due to his death, ever since that day, the Hmong people puts his branch or leaf into the entrance of their house. Therefore, the Xwm kas represents a rooster and is also a protection from demons and bad spirits, but now we dont use the lead and branches anymore. I believe it is due to the Zhou Dynasty, the kingdom that is believe to set reward and destroyed the tyrant of Shang–reward meant money, money turned the Xwm Kas into an art of paper money on a paper hung on to the front wall of the front door… Anyways the story after this goes on and on, to Xwm three kids–Shee Yee, I forgot the other two’s name.
Emperors of China called everyone miao. Miao meant barbarians so just because a group of people use to be called Miao does not mean they are related to present day Hmong. It was interesting to read about bird worshiping and sacrifice. We might have something there.
OK the author of the article makes leaps in her arguments to tie Dong-Yi people to Native American. The part about Chi You people were a part of Dong Yi group had no supporting evidence besides just the written statement. Crazy logic. 疯
This is just the evidence they are presenting.
Some how all this is connected and the dots are there, we just have to connect it.
I question not to destroy anyone’s beliefs, but to understand the root of my beliefs. My intention is not to uproot your beliefs and turn you into an immoral person but to help me and you understand ourselves and our ancestors. It’s difficult to draw conclusion from these mundane evidence.
I meant in general and no specifics to anyone. Sorry if you were offended.
how Rose and Admin are the only ones to post in here!? lol
Zeb Rock – I wondered the same thing… then again maybe Admin and I are the only ones that have “some” information to share or are more interested in the website. J/K. LOL. But it would be nice to have more people get involved with the website and share things as well.
Well what do we have here? This seems to be an interesting conversation we got going on here…
Why is this post here important that Rose Clayborne posted? They have historical records of the Dong-Yi People and from this article they have a clear view of Dong-Yi People.
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Dong-Yi People
Abstract – They came from Middle East and had Caucasoid racial characteristics; worshipped bird’s totems and cultivated wheat; they were also one of ancestors of the American Indians and Polynesian people, and had built advanced ancient cultures in America and Polynesian areas.
http://peacepink.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dongyi-ethnic-groups?xg_source=activity
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Dong-Yi People
Introduction – They came from Middle East with Caucasoid race characteristics and bird worship totems.
Introduction – They brought wheat to China and widely cultivated wheat in Shandong Peninsula 4500 years ago.
http://peacepink.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dongyi-ethnic-groups?xg_source=activity
Now we have bird worship totems and Shandong Peninsula. Who is known for bird worship totems and who was in Shandong Peninsula?
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Battle of Zhuolu
Background – The Jiuli tribes, led by Chi You, had developed near the present-day borders of Shandong, Hebei, and Henan, and expanded towards the west.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zhuolu
Are Hmong/Miao people connected to Chi You?
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Chi You
Tribe – Some sources from later dynasties, such as the Guoyu book, considered Chi You’s Li tribe to be related to the ancient San miao tribe. In the ancient Zhuolu Town is a statue of Chi You claiming him to be the original ancestor of the Hmong people. The place is regarded as the birthplace of the San miao / Miao people, the Hmong being a subgroup of the Miao. In sources following the Hmong view, the “nine Li” tribe is called the “Jiuli” kingdom, Jiuli meaning “nine Li”. Modern Han Chinese scholar Weng Dujian identifies Chi You as belonging to the Man ethnic group. Chi You has also been counted as part of the Dongyi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_You
If Hmong/Miao/Man or Dongyi never knew who Chi You was or ever heard of him, why are the Hmong/Miao/Man and Dongyi mentioned here?
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Dong-Yi People
Introduction – Dong-Yi culture which correlated to five evolutionary phases: Houli culture (6400-5700BCE); Beixin culture (5300-4100BCE); Dawenkou culture (4100-2600BCE); Longshan culture (3200-1900BCE); Yueshi culture (2000-1600BCE), first located in Shandong Peninsula, and later spread out to the lower reaches of the Yellow and Huai Rivers.
http://peacepink.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dongyi-ethnic-groups?xg_source=activity
Are Hmong/Miao people related to these cultures?
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Jiuli Tribe and the Dawenkou Civilization of the Hmong/Miao people
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v7YmvyeNcg
All the dots are there to show you Hmong/Miao people are connected to Chi You/Jiuli tribes. Where does this Leave the Native Americans in with this and this post that Rose Clayborne posted?
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Dong-Yi People
Introduction – DNA researches have proved that Prehistory American Indians (Amerind) and Polynesian people migrated from East Asia. We assert that the Prehistory Amerind were a hybridization of Dong-Yi People and Mongoloid racial stock. Prehistory Polynesian people were hybridization and mixing of Dong-Yi People with various other races.
Introduction – Prehistory Amerind and Polynesian people had bird worship totem cultures, which are the same as with Dong-Yi people’s religious practices.
http://peacepink.ning.com/profiles/blogs/dongyi-ethnic-groups?xg_source=activity
These are Historical Records of Dong-Yi People. Which brings us into our next part.
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This statement is very serious, because the dots are there in front of all of us, it is up to us now to connect it. If a person don’t believe with the dots in front of them, they have that choice. But it need to be understood that they (the people) are not going to throw the answer right in your face. You have to research and connect the dots to get an answer and that is what this website is about.
If you incorrectly connect the dots you’ll form an incorrect picture. Just because people interpret things in one way does not mean it is true. For example just because Christian believes their God is the true God doesn’t mean the Christian God is the true God. Circumstantial evidence is presented to make us think so. Let’s not fall into the same trap that ties religious people down. Let’s be objective. At least that’s what the author stated.
As indigenous and minorities it is important for us to unite and fight for our rights, but that doesn’t mean we make up facts to support our cause. Every individual, no matter what race, has the right to pursue life, liberty, happiness, warmth, comfort, history, education, self, culture.
By asserting she is just making a statement without facts. Just because she started throwing important words like DNA into her argument doesn’t make her assertion correct. It actually makes it look like a desperate attempt to scientifically prove her argument. This is the same logic people use when calling others illegals or illegal immigration.
Again san means three and miao means barbarian. Together they make three barbarians. This doesn’t prove that the mentioned three barbarians were ancestors of the Hmong or Native Americans.
Tourism is a big industry in China. No government in their right mind would reveal ancestry lineage. For example the United States will never reveal the secrets of Native American tribes to the open public. When you reveal the truth it instigates passion. Passion leads to revolution. But if false information is disseminated it leads investigators/researchers/truth seekers on a wild goose chase. The article was interesting but weak in its arguments. I would discount it as reliable data.
Wikipedia makes facts worse. People assume what they are reading is true and factual just because wikipedia sounds like authoritive.
Anyone has information to share on the huang-yi tribes of the dong-yi people, and their migratory routes after warring period chinese annexed their territories.
Hey David.
I looked into it a little bit, but didn’t come across much about the Huang-Yi tribes or anything at the time about their migratory routes.